The Snake Is Cornered
by Ray Wegner
Prime
Minister Harper has been cornered and has now been forced to contemplate
releasing documents regarding Afghan detainees, which his government previously
has refused to divulge - citing national security concerns. The snake is
cornered, but he is still extremely venomous, manipulative, power thirsty,
secretive, and a scheming dictatorial control freak, who does not believe
in democracy. It is going to be very interesting to see what kind of spin
Harper and his gang of yes men and yes women will put to this
matter.
Canadian
House of Commons Speaker The Honourable Mr. Peter Milliken has
ruled on April 28, 2010 that Parliament is supreme and gave the Harper
government two weeks to work out a solution where secret documents
relating to the Afghan detainee matter can be shown to MPs. The Harper
government risks being held in contempt (prima facie), if a compromise
cannot be found, and this could trigger a general election.
Score a
victory for the supremacy of Parliament, even though Harper has done
all he can to thwart democracy. That this matter should have had to be
brought to the Speaker for a ruling shows us the extent of contempt Harper
and his gang have towards Parliament and democracy. It is democratically
elementary that Parliamentary Committees should have free access to all
government documents, but Harper is not much of an elementary fan of
democracy.
Harper is after all from Alberta,
and grew up here, but thankfully was not born here, but is originally from
Toronto. And here in Alberta, where I was born and raised and lived most
of my life, we have lived in a one party dictatorial state for generations.
Democracy in Alberta is anemic at the best of times. I have tried for a
lot of years to point out to the rest of Canada the fact that Alberta is a
one party state, which has spawned control freak despots the likes of the
Progressive Conservative Party and Government that has ruled Alberta since
1971, Ralph Klein, and Stephen
Harper. Democracy and freedom are a sick joke here in Alberta. Harper is
just performing his control freak act and dictatorial methodology on the
national scene, tactics which have been going on here in Alberta for
decades under our past and present rulers. Shamefully very few seem to
take my warning about the weak state of democracy and freedom here in
Alberta seriously.
Harper is an extremely
dangerous man, who cannot be trusted. He will do almost anything to remain
in power, and further his mad scheme to win a majority government. He will
lie, he will run massive unnecessary deficits, he will betray fiscal
conservatives, he will appease the Quebec separatists, he will muzzle his
MPs and Cabinet. He has tried to muzzle and control the media. He has
contempt for Parliament, democracy and ordinary Members of Parliament. Stop
Harper Now. He must never, ever be allowed to win his coveted majority
government.
Provided for you now is a copy
of the speech of Speaker Milliken - given to the House of Commons on April
28th, 2010 regarding his ruling on Parliaments access to secret documents
pertaining to Afghan detainees.
Speaker's
duty to safeguard the rights
and privileges of Members
The
Right of the House to Order the Production of Documents
Powers
of the House in ordering the production of documents.
Order of December 10, 2009 constitutes prima facie a
question of privilege.
House Leaders, Ministers and party critics
allowed two weeks to resolve issue
Speaker Milliken's
Speech
respecting the production
of documents regarding Afghan detainees.
" I am now prepared to rule on the questions of privilege raised on March
18, 2010, by the hon. Member for Scarborough—Rouge River (Mr. Lee),
the hon. Member for St. John’s East (Mr. Harris), and the hon.
Member for Saint-Jean (Mr. Bachand) concerning the Order of the House
of December 10, 2009, respecting the production of documents
regarding Afghan detainees.
" I would like to thank those three Members raising these issues.
I would also like to thank the hon. Minister of Justice and Attorney
General (Mr. Nicholson), the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the
Government House Leader (Mr. Lukiwski), the hon. House Leader of the
Official Opposition (Mr. Goodale), and the hon. Members for Toronto
Centre (Mr. Rae), Joliette (Mr. Paquette), Windsor—Tecumseh (Mr.
Comartin), Yukon (Mr. Bagnell), Toronto—Danforth (Mr. Layton),
Outremont (Mr. Mulcair), and Kootenay East (Mr. Abbott) for their interventions
on this important matter on March 18, 25, and 31, and on April 1 and
12, 2010.
" The facts that have led the House, and the Chair, to be seized of
this case are the following:
" On February 10, 2009, the House recreated the Special Committee on
the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan. This committee conducted
its business in the usual way and began, in the fall of that year, to seek
information from the Government on the treatment of Afghan detainees.
" On November 27, 2009, the Committee reported to the House what it
considered to be a breach of its privileges in relation to its
inquiries and requests for documents.
" On December 10, 2009, the House adopted an Order for the
production of documents regarding Afghan detainees.
" On December 30, 2009, the session in which this Order was adopted
was prorogued.
" On March 3, 2010, when the present session began, the Special
Committee was re-constituted and resumed its work. Since Orders
of the House for the production of documents survive prorogation, the House
Order of December 10, 2009, remained in effect.
" On March 5, 2010, the Minister of Justice rose in the House to
announce that the Government had appointed former Supreme Court
Justice Frank Iacobucci to undertake an independent, comprehensive
and proper review of the documents at issue. The
Minister described Mr. Iacobucci’s mandate in relation to the Order
of December 10, 2009, specifying that the former justice would
report to him.
" On March 16, 2010, the Leader of the Government in the House of
Commons tabled the specific terms of reference for Mr. Iacobucci.
" On March 18, 2010, three Members raised questions of privilege
related to the Order of December 10, 2009. A number of other
Members also contributed to the discussion.
" On March 25, 2010, and again on April 1 and 26, 2010, the
Government tabled a large volume of documents regarding Afghan
detainees without prejudice to the procedural arguments
relating to the Order of December 10, 2009. On March 25 and April 1,
the Chair also heard interventions from Members.
" On March 31, 2010, the Government responded to the arguments made
in relation to the questions of privilege raised on March 18, 2010.
" Last, on April 1, and again on April 12, 2010, the Chair heard
arguments on the questions of privilege from several Members, took
the matter under advisement and undertook to return to the House with
a ruling.
" Before addressing the arguments brought forward, I want to take
this opportunity to remind Members of the role of the Chair when
questions of privilege are raised. House of Commons Procedure
and Practice, Second Edition (O’Brien-Bosc), at page 141, states:
" Great importance is attached to matters involving privilege. A
Member wishing to raise a question of privilege in the House must
first convince the Speaker that his or her concern is prima facie (on
the first impression or at first glance) a question of privilege.
The function of the Speaker is limited to deciding whether the
matter is of such a character as to entitle the Member who has raised
the question to move a motion which will have priority over Orders
of the Day; that is, in the Speaker’s opinion, there is a prima
facie question of privilege. If there is, the House must take
the matter into immediate consideration. Ultimately, it is the
House which decides whether a breach of privilege or a contempt has
been committed.
" As Speaker, one of my principal duties is to safeguard the rights
and privileges of Members and of the House. In doing so, the
Chair is always mindful of the established precedents, usages, traditions
and practices of the House and of the role of the Chair in their
ongoing evolution. It is no exaggeration to say that it is a rare event
for the Speaker to be seized of a matter as complex and as heavy with
consequence as the matter before us now.
" Because of the complexity of the issues that have been raised, and
the large number of lengthy interventions made by hon. Members, I
have taken the liberty of regrouping the issues thematically in order
to address the arguments presented more effectively.
" The Right of the House to Order the Production of Documents
" The main and most important issue the Chair must address today
concerns the right of the House to order the production of documents,
including the nature of the right, questions related to the extent of
the right, and the manner in which the right can or ought to be
exercised. All Members who have intervened on these matters of
privilege have touched on these fundamental questions in one way or
another. In addition, the Chair has been asked to determine whether
or not the Order has been complied with, and if not, whether this
constitutes, prima facie, a contempt of the House.
" Intimidation of Witnesses
" A second matter before the Chair is the contention – made primarily
by the Member for Scarborough—Rouge River – that witnesses were
intimidated by answers given in Question Period by the Minister of
National Defence and that a letter written by an official from the
Department of Justice was contemptuous of the House in setting out
for potential witnesses a false basis for refusing to answer
questions in a committee of this House.
" The Form of the December 10 Order of the House
" Arguments were also made in relation to a third theme, namely the
form, clarity and procedural validity of the December 10 Order of
the House. These issues arose when the Parliamentary Secretary
to the Government House Leader contended on March 31, 2010, that the
Order of December 10 was fatally flawed in that it seeks documents
that he claims can only be obtained by way of an Address to the
Governor General. Related issues were brought to the Chair’s
attention on the same day by the Minister of Justice, who stated, at
page 1225 of the Debates:
" Mr. Speaker, as you will recall, the December order called for
uncensored documents. It listed eight different categories of
documents to be produced. The order did not specify exactly
when such documents should be produced, who should produce them or to
whom they should be produced.
" The order made no reference to the confidential information being
protected.
" Accommodation and Trust
" The fourth theme the Chair wishes to address concerns the issue of
accommodation and trust which a number of Members on both sides of
the House have raised. Several Members have made reference to
the need to safeguard confidential information that, in the words of
the Minister of Justice, as found on page 7881 of the Debates of
December 10, 2009: could if disclosed, compromise Canada’s
security, national defence and international relations. More
significantly, a number of Members have indicated that they wish to
find a way to accommodate the desire of the House for information
while also accommodating the desire of the Government to protect
sensitive information.
" The Form of the December 10 Order of the House
" The first arguments the Chair wishes to address are those related
to the form, clarity and procedural validity of the December
" 10 Order.
" The Minister of Justice has called into question the clarity of the
Order. On reading the Order, it is abundantly clear to the Chair that
it is the Government that is expected to produce the documents
demanded and that, in the absence of instructions to the contrary,
the documents are to be tabled in the House in the usual manner.
In this sense the Minister and the Parliamentary Secretary are
correct in asserting that no provision is made in the Order for
confidential treatment of the material demanded. The Chair will
return to this aspect of the question later in this ruling.
" As to when the material is to be tabled, the Order says very clearly
forthwith. House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second
Edition, at page 475 states:
" if the House has adopted an Order for the production of a document,
the Order should be complied with within a reasonable time. However,
the Speaker has no power to determine when documents should be
tabled.
" As to the procedural validity of the Order, as well as its form, the
Chair wishes to draw the attention of the House to Bourinot’s Parliamentary
Procedure and Practice in the Dominion of Canada, Fourth Edition,
where it states at pages 245 to 246:
" Previous to the session of 1876, it was customary to move for all
papers by address to the governor-general, but since that time the
regular practice of the English houses has been followed. It is
now the usage to move for addresses only with respect to matters
affecting imperial interests, the royal prerogative, or the
governor-in-council. On the other hand, it is the
constitutional right of either house to ask for such information as
it can directly obtain by its own order from any department or
officer of the Government. Papers may be directly ordered when
they relate to canals and railways, post-office, customs, militia,
fisheries, dismissal of public officers, harbours and public works,
and other matters under the immediate control and direction of the
different departments of the Government.
" As this passage makes clear, an Order is used when seeking papers
that fall under the immediate control and direction of the different
departments of the Government. As an example, in the case
of the documents related to the Chief of the Defence Staff, referred
to by the Parliamentary Secretary, it is simply not credible to claim
that those documents are not under the control of the Government.
" The Parliamentary Secretary has referred to certain rulings of my
predecessors in making his arguments and has also provided additional
material in support of his contention. The Chair has examined
these precedents – a ruling from 1959 by Mr. Speaker Michener and a
ruling from 1982 by Madam Speaker Sauvé – but is not convinced
that they directly support the particular circumstances faced by the
House in this case.
" A further point to be made on this issue has to do with the documents
tabled without prejudice‖ so far by the Government in response
to the Order of December 10. The Chair wishes to point out that
of the documents tabled, several appear to fall into the categories
which the Parliamentary Secretary claims require an Address before
they can be produced. In addition, the fact that these
documents have been tabled has been cited by the Government as a
gesture of good faith on its part and an indication that it is
complying, to the extent that it feels it can, with the Order of
December 10.
" Finally, as the Member for St. John’s East noted, in response to
objections raised at the time debate was commencing on the original
motion, a decision was rendered that the motion was in order. Consequently,
the House went on to debate and decide the matter: the House has
expressed its will, and that is where the matter now stands.
" I have considered the arguments put forward, and for the reasons
stated above, the Chair concludes that it was procedurally acceptable
for the House to use an Order and not an Address to require the
production of these documents.
" Intimidation of Witnesses
" The Chair will turn now to the allegations related to witness intimidation.
The Member for Scarborough—Rouge River has contended that the
comments made by the Minister of National Defence, in reply to a
question during Oral Questions on December 1, 2009, amounted to
intimidation. He argued that the Minister’s contention that the
documents in question could be released to the Special Committee on
the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan only under the provisions of the
Canada Evidence Act, was wrong and misleading, obstructed the House,
and intimidated witnesses, especially armed forces personnel and
public servants, thereby lessening the likelihood of their compliance
with House requests and orders.
" The hon. Member for Scarborough—Rouge River also took exception
to a December 9, 2009, letter to the Law Clerk and Parliamentary
Counsel of the House from an Assistant Deputy Minister from the
Department of Justice on the obligations of witnesses before
committees, and on the obligation to provide documents ordered by
committees. He argued that the letter constituted a contempt of
the House by setting out for witnesses a false basis for refusing to
provide disclosure to the House or its committees after being ordered
to do so. In particular, the Member for Scarborough—Rouge
River stressed that if the contents of the letter were crafted with
ministerial approval, it could constitute a conspiracy to undermine
Parliament and the ability of the House to carry on its
constitutional functions.
" The Government responded that the remarks made by the Minister of
National Defence were simply matters of debate and differences of
opinion between Members. Of the second complaint, the
Government took the view that the letter from the Justice official
constituted nothing more than an exchange of views between legal
professionals and that it could not be construed as―an attempt to
intimidate the Government witnesses.
" The hon. Member for Scarborough—Rouge River had argued that the
Minister’s reply constituted a slander of Parliament’s core
powers to hold the Government to account and thus was a contempt.
However, particularly since this exchange between the Minister
and the Member for Vancouver South occurred during Question Period, I
find that I must agree with the Parliamentary Secretary’s
characterization of this exchange as a matter of debate. I have
no need to remind the House that freedom of speech is one of our most
cherished rights. Although Members may disagree with the
comments made by the Minister, I cannot find that the Minister’s
words, in and of themselves, constitute witness intimidation, hence
nor do they constitute prima facie a contempt of the House.
" As for the Member for Scarborough—Rouge River’s other concern
regarding the letter from the Assistant Deputy Minister, the
procedural authorities are clear that interference with witnesses may
constitute a contempt. House of Commons Procedure and Practice,
Second Edition, at page 1070, states:
" Tampering with a witness or in any way attempting to deter a
witness from giving evidence may constitute a breach of parliamentary
privilege.
" It is reasonable to assume that a letter signed by an Assistant Deputy
Minister, acting under the authority of the Minister of Justice, is
an expression of the Government’s view on an issue, and given that
its contents have been widely reported and circulated, the letter
could leave the impression that public servants and Government
officials cannot be protected by Parliament for their responses to
questions at a parliamentary committee, when this is not the case.
" Specifically, I would like to draw the attention of hon. Members
to a section of the letter in question, which the Member for
Scarborough—Rouge River tabled in the House on March 18, 2010, where the
Assistant Deputy Minister lays out a view of the duties of public
servants in relation to committees of the House. The letter
states:
" Of course, there may be instances where an Act of Parliament will
not be interpreted to apply to the Houses of Parliament or their
committees. However, that does not mean automatically that
Government officials, who are agents of the executive, not the
legislative branch are absolved from respecting duties imposed by
a statute enacted by Parliament, or by requirements of the common law,
such as solicitor-client privilege or Crown privilege. This is
so even if a parliamentary committee, through the exercise of
parliamentary privilege, may extend immunity to witnesses appearing
before it. A parliamentary committee cannot waive a legal duty
imposed on Government officials. To argue to the contrary would
be inimical to the principles of the rule of law and parliamentary
sovereignty. A parliamentary committee is subordinate, not
superior, to the legislative will of Parliament as expressed in its
enactments.
" It does concern me that the letter of the Assistant Deputy Minister
could be interpreted as having a chilling effect on public servants
who are called to appear before parliamentary committees, as
contended the Members for Scarborough—Rouge River and Toronto
Centre. This could be especially so if the view put forth in
the letter formed the basis of a direction given by department heads
to their employees who have been called to testify before
parliamentary committees.
" At the same time, it is critically important to remember in this regard
that our practice already recognizes that public servants appearing
as witnesses are placed in the peculiar position of having two
duties. As House of Commons Procedure and Practice, Second
Edition, states at pages 1068 and 1069:
" Particular attention is paid to the questioning of public servants.
The obligation of a witness to answer all questions put by the
committee must be balanced against the role that public servants play
in providing confidential advice to their Ministers. In addition,
committees ordinarily accept the reasons that a public servant gives
for declining to answer a specific question or series of questions
which may be perceived as a conflict with the witness’
responsibility to the Minister.
" The solution for committees facing such situations is to seek answers
from those who are ultimately accountable, namely, the Ministers
themselves.
" It has been argued that there may be a chilling effect,
which could come dangerously close to impeding Members of committees
in carrying out their duties. However, I remind the House, that
this letter was sent to our Law Clerk so, on balance, I would need to
see the use made of this letter, in particular, whether it was ever
presented to a person who was scheduled to testify before the Special
Committee with the intent of limiting the person’s testimony.
As things stand, there does not appear to the Chair to be
sufficient evidence for me to conclude that this letter constitutes a
direct attempt to prevent or influence the testimony of any witness
before a committee.
" For these reasons I cannot find that there is a prima facie question
of contempt on this point.
" The Right of the House to Order the Production of Documents
" I now turn to the questions of the House’s right to order the production
of documents and the claim that the Government has failed to comply
with the Order of the House.
" The honourable Member for Kootenay East argues that, even if the documents
were provided to the committee, the committee could not, given their
sensitive nature, make use of them publicly. However, I cannot agree
with his conclusion that this obviates the Government’s requirement
to provide the documents ordered by the House. To accept such a
notion would completely undermine the importance of the role of
parliamentarians in holding the Government to account.
" Before us are issues that question the very foundations upon which
our parliamentary system is built. In a system of responsible government,
the fundamental right of the House of Commons to hold the Government
to account for its actions is an indisputable privilege and, in fact,
an obligation. Embedded in our Constitution, parliamentary law
and even our Standing Orders, it is the source of our parliamentary
system from which other processes and principles necessarily flow.
It is why that right is manifested in numerous procedures of
the House: from the daily Question Period, to the detailed
examination by committee of estimates, to reviews of the Accounts of
Canada, to debate, amendment and votes on legislation.
" As I noted on December 10, 2009, House of Commons Procedure and
Practice, Second Edition, states at page 136:
" By virtue of the Preamble and section 18 of the Constitution Act,
1867, Parliament has the ability to institute its own inquiries, to
require the attendance of witnesses and to order the production of
documents, rights which are fundamental to its proper functioning.
These rights are as old as Parliament itself.
" And on pages 978 to 979:
" The Standing Orders do not delimit the power to order the production
of papers and records. The result is a broad, absolute power
that on the surface appears to be without restriction. There is
no limit on the type of papers likely to be requested, the only
prerequisite is that the papers exist – in hard copy or electronic
format – and that they are located in Canada. No statute or
practice diminishes the fullness of the power rooted in the House
privileges unless there is an explicit legal provision to that
effect, or unless the House adopts a specific resolution limiting the
power. The House has never set a limit on its power to order
the production of papers and records.
" Further, Bourinot`s Fourth Edition, states at page 70:
" The Senate and the House of Commons have the right, inherent in
them as legislative bodies, to summon and compel the attendance of
all persons, within the limits of their jurisdiction, as witnesses,
and to order them to bring with them such papers and records as may
be required for the purpose of an inquiry.
" In the arguments presented, the Chair has heard this power described
as unabridged, unconditional, unqualified, absolute and, furthermore, one
which is limited only by the discretion of the House itself. But
this view is not shared by all and so it is a privilege whose limits
have now been called into question.
" The Government’s view is that such an unqualified right does not
exist for either House of Parliament, or their committees. The executive,
the holder of the sensitive information sought by the House, has
competing obligations. On the one hand, it recognizes that
there is an expectation of transparency so that government actions
can be properly monitored to ensure that they respect the law and
international agreements. On the other hand, the Government
contends that the protection of national security, national defence
and international relations demands that some information remain
secret and confidential, out of the reach of those obliged to
scrutinize its actions and hold it to account.
" In his March 31 intervention, the Minister of Justice quoted from
the 1887 parliamentary treatise of Alpheus Todd to support the view
that a due regard to the interests of the State occasionally demand
that information sought for by members of the legislature should be
withheld at the discretion and upon the responsibility of ministers.
The Minister also cited Bourinot in 1884 observing that the
government may feel constrained to refuse certain papers on the
ground that their production would be injurious to public interest.
Had he read a little further, he might have found the following
statement by Bourinot at page 281:
" But it must be remembered that under all circumstances it is for
the House to consider whether the reasons given for refusing the
information are sufficient. The right of Parliament to obtain
every possible information on public questions is undoubted, and the
circumstances must be exceptional, and the reasons very cogent, when
it cannot be at once laid before the houses.
" As the Members for Saint-Jean and Joliette commented on March 25,
2010, Bourinot’s Second Edition notes that even in instances where
a Minister refuses to provide documents that are requested, it is
clear that it is still ultimately up to the House to determine
whether grounds exist to withhold documents.
" Bourinot, in referring to procedures for notices of motions for production
of papers, wrote at pages 337 and 338:
" There are frequent cases in which the ministers refuse information,
especially at some delicate stage of an investigation or negotiation;
and in such instances the house will always acquiesce when sufficient
reasons are given for the refusal. But it must be remembered that
under all circumstances, it is for the House to consider whether the reasons
given for refusing the information are sufficient.
" Joseph Maingot’s Parliamentary Privilege in Canada, Second Edition,
also supports the need for Parliament to have a voice in these very
matters when it states at page 190:
" The only limitations, which could only be self-imposed, would be
that any inquiry should relate to a subject within the legislative
competence of Parliament, particularly where witnesses and documents
are required and the penal jurisdiction of Parliament is
contemplated. This dovetails with the right of each House of
Parliament to summon and compel the attendance of all persons within
the limits of their jurisdictions.
" Similarly, in Erskine May, 23rd Edition, in a discussion of the exclusive
cognizance of proceedings, at page 102, we find the following:
" Underlying the Bill of Rights 1689 is the privilege of both Houses
to the exclusive cognizance of their own proceedings. Both
Houses retain the right to be sole judge of the lawfulness of their
own proceedings, and to settle – or depart from – their own codes
of procedure. This is equally the case where the House in
question is dealing with a matter which is finally decided by its
sole authority, such as an order or resolution, or whether like a
bill it is the joint concern of both Houses.
" In David McGee’s Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand, Second
Edition, at page 621, he asserts:
" The Australian legislation referring to the Parliamentary Privileges
Act, 1987 in respect of article 9 of the Bill of Rights may be taken
to indicate the types of transactions falling within the term
proceedings of Parliament.
" He then goes on to state that such proceedings to which privilege attaches
include ―…the presentation of a document to a House or a
committee Odgers Australian Senate Practice, 12th edition, at page
51, states clearly:
" Parliamentary privilege is not affected by provisions in statutes
which prohibit in general terms the disclosure of categories of
information. Statutory provisions of this type do not prevent the
disclosure of information covered by the provisions to a House of the
Parliament or to a parliamentary committee in the course of a
parliamentary inquiry. They do not prevent committees seeking the
information covered by such provisions or persons who have that
information providing it to committees.
" In light of these various authorities, the Chair must conclude that
the House does indeed have the right to ask for the documents listed
in the Order of December 10, 2009.
" With regard to the extent of the right, the Chair would like to address
the contention of the Minister of Justice, made on March 31, that the
Order of the House of December 10 is a breach of the constitutional
separation of powers between the executive and the legislature.
Having noted that the three branches of government must respect
the legitimate sphere of activity of the others, the Minister argued
that the Order of the House was tantamount to an unlawful extension
of the House’s privileges.
" This can only be true if one agrees with the notion that the House’s power
to order the production of documents is not absolute. The question
would then be whether this interpretation subjugates the legislature
to the executive.
" It is the view of the Chair that accepting an unconditional authority
of the executive to censor the information
provided to Parliament would in fact jeopardize the very separation
of powers that is purported to lie at the heart of our parliamentary
system and the independence of its constituent parts. Furthermore,
it risks diminishing the inherent privileges of the House and its
Members, which have been earned and must be safeguarded.
" As has been noted earlier, the procedural authorities are categorical
in repeatedly asserting the powers of the House in ordering the
production of documents. No exceptions are made for any
category of Government documents, even those related to national
security. Therefore, the Chair must conclude that it is perfectly
within the existing privileges of the House to order production of
the documents in question. Bearing in mind that the fundamental
role of Parliament is to hold the Government to account, as the
servant of the House, and the protector of its privileges, I cannot
agree with the Government’s interpretation that ordering these
documents transgresses the separation of powers, and interferes with
the spheres of activity of the executive branch.
" But what of the House’s responsibility regarding the manner in
which this right can or ought to be exercised? The authorities cited
earlier all make reference to the long-standing practice whereby the
House has accepted that not all documents demanded ought to be made
available in cases where the Government asserts that this is
impossible or inappropriate for reasons of national security,
national defence or international relations.
" O’Brien and Bosc, at page 979, states:
" it may not be appropriate to insist on the production of papers
and records in all cases.
" The basis for this statement is a 1991 report by the Standing Committee
on Privileges and Elections, which, as recorded on page 95 of the
Journals of May 29, 1991, pointed out:
" The House of Commons recognizes that it should not require the
production of documents in all cases; considerations of public
policy, including national security, foreign relations, and so forth,
enter into the decision as to when it is appropriate to order the
production of such documents.
" In his comments on this aspect of the matter before us, the Parliamentary
Secretary to the Government House Leader referred to my ruling of
June 8, 2006, where I stated that national security, when asserted by
a Minister, was sufficient to set aside a requirement to table
documents cited in debate. The examples cited by the
Parliamentary Secretary related strictly to documents that have been
cited by a Minister in the absence of any other explicit expression
of interest by the House in the said documents.
" Having reviewed the June 8 ruling, it is clear to the Chair that there
is a difference between the practice of the House which allows a
Minister, on the sole basis of his or her judgment, to refrain from
tabling a cited document for reasons of confidentiality and national
security, and an Order, duly adopted by the House following notice
and debate, requiring the tabling of documents.
" Another important distinction between the Order adopted by the
House on December 10, 2009, and the practice respecting Notices of
Motions for the Production of Papers, referred to by the Member for
St. John’s East on April 12 is that, with respect to such notices,
there is an opportunity for a Minister or Parliamentary Secretary to
indicate to the House that the notice is acceptable to the Government
subject to certain reservations, such as confidentiality, or national
security.
" Thus, the House, prior to the adoption of the motion, is fully aware
that some documents will not be produced if the motion is adopted.
If the House does not agree, the motion must either be transferred
for debate, or be put immediately to the House without debate or
amendment. Something similar happened on December 10, 2009. Before the
House voted on the motion that became an Order to produce documents,
the Ministers of Justice, National Defence and Foreign Affairs all
rose in the House to explain the reasons why the documents in
question should not be made available. This is in keeping with
what Bourinot refers to as the Government’s responsibility to
provide reasons very cogent for not producing documents. Under
normal circumstances, reflecting on past history in the House, these
assertions by the Government might well have been found to be
acceptable by the House. In the current circumstances however,
the reasons given by the Government were not found to be sufficient.
The House debated the matter and voted to adopt an order for
the production of documents, despite the request of the Government.
" The reason for this, it seems, has to do with the issue of accommodation
and trust. On December 10, 2009, as found on page 7877 of the
Debates, I stated that:
" It is unfortunate, if I may make this comment, that arrangements
were not made in committee to settle this matter there, where these
requests were made and where there might have been some agreement on
which documents and which format would be tabled or made available to Members.
How they were to be produced or however it was to be done, I do
not know, but obviously that has not happened.
" Several Members have made the point that there are numerous ways
that the documents in question could have been made available without
divulging state secrets and acknowledged that all sides in the House
needed to find a way to respect the privileges and rights of Members
of Parliament to hold the Government to account, while at the same
time protecting national security.
" The Government, for its part, has sought to find a solution to the
impasse. It has appointed former Supreme Court Justice Frank
Iacobucci and given him a mandate to examine the documents and to
recommend to the Minister of Justice and Attorney General what could
be safely disclosed to the House.
" The Government has argued that in mandating this review by Mr.
Iacobucci, it was taking steps to comply with the Order consistent with
its requirements to protect the security of Canada’s armed forces
and Canada’s international obligations.
" However, several Members have pointed out that Mr. Iacobucci’s
appointment establishes a separate, parallel process outside of
parliamentary oversight, and without parliamentary involvement.
Furthermore, and in my view perhaps most significantly, Mr.
Iacobucci reports to the Minister of Justice; his client is the
Government.
" The authorities I have cited are unanimous in the view of the House’s
privilege to ask for the production of papers and many go on to explain
that accommodations are made between those seeking information and
those in possession of it to ensure that arrangements are made in the
best interests of the public they both serve. Certainly, from
the submissions I have heard, it is evident to the Chair that all
Members take seriously the sensitive nature of these documents and
the need to protect the confidential information they contain.
" The Chair must conclude that it is within the powers of the House
of Commons to ask for the documents sought in the December 10 order
it adopted. Now, it seems to me, that the issue before us is
this: is it possible to put into place a mechanism by which
these documents could be made available to the House without
compromising the security and confidentiality of the information they
contain? In other words, is it possible for the two sides, working
together in the best interest of the Canadians they serve, to devise a
means where both their concerns are met?
" Surely that is not too much to hope for.
" The Member for Toronto Centre has made a suggestion, as recorded
on page 615 of the Debates of March 18, 2010:
" What we believe can be done is not beyond the ability of the House.
It is done in many other parliaments. Indeed, there are
circumstances under which it has even been done in this House. It
is perfectly possible for unredacted documents to be seen by Members
of Parliament who have been sworn in for the purpose of looking at
those documents.
" O’Brien and Bosc, at page 980, points to ways of seeking a compromise
for Members to gain access to otherwise inaccessible material:
" Normally, this entails putting measures in place to ensure that
the record is kept confidential while it is being consulted:
" in camera review, limited and numbered copies, arrangements for
disposing of or destroying the copies after the committee meeting, et
cetera.
" In some jurisdictions, such as the Legislative Council in the Australian
State of New South Wales, and I would refer Members to New South
Wales Legislative Council Practice, by Lovelock and Evans at page
481, mechanisms have been put in place, which satisfy the
confidentiality concerns of the Government as well as those of the
legislature. Procedures provide for independent arbiters,
recognized by both the executive and the legislature, to make
determinations on what can be disclosed when a dispute arises over an
order for the production of documents.
" Finding common ground will be difficult. There have been assertions
that colleagues in the House are not sufficiently trustworthy to be
given confidential information, even with appropriate security
safeguards in place. I find such comments troubling. The
insinuation that Members of Parliament cannot be trusted with the
very information that they may well require to act on behalf of
Canadians runs contrary to the inherent trust that Canadians have
placed in their elected officials and which Members require to act in
their various parliamentary capacities.
" The issue of trust goes in the other direction as well. Some suggestions
have been made that the Government has self- serving and ulterior
motives for the redactions in the documents tabled. Here too,
such remarks are singularly unhelpful to the aim of finding a
workable accommodation and ultimately identifying mechanisms that
will satisfy all actors in this matter.
" But the fact remains that the House and the Government have,
essentially, an unbroken record of some 140 years of collaboration
and accommodation in cases of this kind. It seems to me that it
would be a signal failure for us to see that record shattered in the
Third Session of the Fortieth Parliament because we lacked the will or the
wit to find a solution to this impasse.
" The House has long understood the role of the Government as
defender of the realm and its heavy responsibilities in matters of
security, national defence and international relations. Similarly, the
Government understands the House’s undoubted role as the grand
inquest of the nation and its need for complete and accurate
information in order to fulfill its duty of holding the Government to
account.
" Examples have been cited of mechanisms that might satisfy the
competing interests of both sides in this matter. In view of the grave
circumstances of the current impasse, the Chair believes that the
House ought to make one further effort to arrive at an interest-based
solution to this thorny question.
" Accordingly, on analyzing the evidence before it and the precedents,
the Chair cannot but conclude that the Government's failure to comply
with the Order of December 10, 2009 constitutes prima facie a
question of privilege.
" I will allow House Leaders, Ministers and party critics time to suggest
some way of resolving the impasse for it seems to me we would fail
the institution if no resolution can be found. However, if, in
two weeks’ time, the matter is still not resolved, the Chair will return
to make a statement on the motion that will be allowed in the
circumstances.
" In the meantime, of course the Chair is disposed to assist the House
in any way it can and I am open to suggestions on any particular
role that I as your Speaker can play.
" I thank the House for its attention. "

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